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Sagitar’s design shows the balance between modernity and classics. Its front face design adopts the popular family design language, and the chrome-plated air intake grille is integrated with the headlights, forming a highly recognizable visual effect. The body lines are smooth, and the overall style is simple and dynamic, which highlights the exquisiteness and stability of sagitar.

The sagitar has a body size of 4791*1801*1465mm and a wheelbase of 2731mm, providing a spacious and comfortable seating space. Its side lines are smooth and concise, with a front tread of 1543mm and a rear tread of 1546mm, ensuring stability and handling. Equipped with 17-inch wheels, tyre size is 205/55 R17, showing a dynamic and fashionable style.

Sagitar’s interior design is simple and full of science and technology. The center console is equipped with a 12-inch high-definition touch screen, supports voice recognition control system, and can easily control multimedia system, navigation, telephone and air conditioning. The steering wheel is made of leather, which feels comfortable and supports manual up-and-down and forward-and-backward adjustment, so that the driver can adjust the appropriate driving posture as needed. The seats are made of imitation leather, and the front seats are equipped with heating and ventilation functions to provide drivers with a comfortable riding experience. The front row also provides 3 USB ports and 1 Type-C port, while the rear row is equipped with 2 Type-C ports, which is convenient for passengers to connect various devices. In addition, the front row is also equipped with wireless charging function, which meets the needs of modern drivers for technology configuration.

Sagitar is equipped with a 1.5T turbocharged engine with a power output of 160 HP. Its maximum power can reach 118 kW, while the peak torque reaches 250 Nm. The perfect match between this engine and the 7-speed dry dual-clutch gearbox provides efficient and smooth power transmission for the vehicle, ensuring excellent driving experience.

Car home car owners spoke highly of sagitar’s appearance. He mentioned: "The appearance is very atmospheric, calm and sporty, and the audience can be very wide, from mature uncles in their 40 s and 50 s to young graduates in their 20 s. It is very suitable for driving this car and will not feel a sense of disobedience." In addition, he especially appreciates the flat air intake grille, which broadens the visual effect of the front of the car and improves the appearance. At the same time, the sharp headlights on both sides are like bright eyes, always illuminating the front. From the side, the body lines and 17-inch wheel hub shapes are full of fashion charm, which is very in line with the aesthetic trend of youthfulness.

On January 19, the first batch of production cars of Star Era ET, the first ultra-comfortable long-range luxury SUV of Star Era, was officially rolled off the production line in the first phase of Chery Production Base in Wuhu, Anhui. This event pioneered the only immersive roll-off in the industry, feeling "mobile home" in a warm, comfortable and light luxury atmosphere.

As the most anticipated blockbuster product in China’s new energy market in 2024, Star Era ET integrates the culmination of Chery’s spire technology to create a super comfortable long-range luxury SUV, and Star Era ES "Double Star Shine", leading the "super comfortable" era of high-end new energy vehicles, opening the "star" journey of Xingtu’s high-end new energy transformation, and running the "star" speed that continues to lead the industry.

Surprise users, satisfy them, win their trust, and build a world-class brand

Yin Tongyue, Secretary of the Party Committee and Chairperson of Chery Holding Group, said, "The goal of Star Era ET is to become a’disruptor ‘in China’s high-end pure electric SUV market. To this end, Chery Group will give priority to supplying Xingtu Star Era with the best resources of the’two factories’ – the most advanced and intelligent production base in the’manufacturing factory ‘and the most advanced and high-end technology in the’innovation factory’. It hopes to bring twice or even three times the user value of the retail price with a stronger technology-to-value ratio, quality-to-value ratio, and brand-to-value ratio, so as to satisfy, surprise and trust users, and lead the entire Chery brand pyramid to soar into the clouds, helping Chery to accelerate the construction of a world-class brand."

(Mr. Yin Tongyue, Secretary of the Party Committee and Chairperson of Chery Holding Group)

"Black box" technology hardcore strength, subverting the high-end pure electric SUV market

At the offline ceremony, Dr. Gao Xinhua, executive deputy general manager of Chery Automobile joint stock company and CTO of Chery Automotive Engineering Technology Research and Development Institute, vividly explained the development concept of the new car, "At the beginning of the design, Star Era ET adheres to the original intention of’the car is the extension of the home ‘, and uses the’black box’ technical standard to create a super comfortable long-range luxury SUV that is luxurious and fearless of water and fire, bringing comfort, luxury, peace of mind and wisdom to users, and fully practicing the sincere commitment of’Polytechnic Man ‘to make the car feel like home."

Star Era ET, which is inspired to become a "disruptor" in China’s high-end pure electric SUV market, relied on Chery Group’s 26 years of car-making experience and tens of millions of user resources around the world at the beginning of the design, in-depth analysis of users’ high-frequency scenarios and extreme working conditions, to closely fit user requests as its own responsibility, carefully polish every detail, and strive to create a relaxed and pleasant driving environment for users. In addition, under the high-value empowerment of the global ultra-comfortable high-performance electric platform E0X, the new car has successfully created comfortable and luxurious, warm technology, aesthetic design, safety and health and other advantages, becoming an ideal partner for users to relax in the compact era.

(Executive deputy general manager of Chery Automobile joint stock company, CTO Dr. Gao Xinhua, president of Chery Automobile Engineering Technology Research and Development Institute)

Greater than the shape, starting at home, and extravagant, Star Era ET carefully interprets the luxurious "home"

In order to allow users to more truly feel the comfortable and luxurious atmosphere, Star Era ET adopts the "ultra-comfortable home" light luxury design concept, the appearance is "greater than the shape", and the interior is "starting at home, extravagant in the product". The smart large screen, mobile bar, locker, leisure lounge chair and other home elements in the living room are integrated with multi-light source light field, and high-end environmentally friendly materials are applied regardless of cost to create a comfortable and livable home space.

At the same time, the new car also pioneered the only "Star Moving Bar" in the same class, which is made of pure natural solid wood, equipped with double storage compartments, warm atmosphere lights, and can be electrically moved in the front and rear rows through voice or physical buttons, further improving the flexibility of the interior space, creating more social space, more diverse car scenarios, and a more personalized driving experience, allowing users to relax while traveling, just like being at home.

User-centered, strength verification "no fear of cold and fire"

Safety-oriented, fearless of cold and fire, is Star Era ET’s consistent commitment to users. The new car achieves the maximum wading depth of 700mm + 50mm in the same class, is not afraid of summer rainstorms and stagnant roads, and has undergone rigorous verification in six dimensions such as high temperature baking of the whole vehicle. It has become the first new energy SUV model to pass the "NESTA Six-Dimensional Electric Safety" technology verification, proving its excellent electric safety performance "fearless of water and fire" and will provide users with a more reliable electric travel experience.

In addition, Star Era ET has just completed the industry’s first "-30 ° C 24-hour immersion ice limit challenge" not long ago. A series of "no fear of cold" stable performance and leapfrog strength have comprehensively solved the three major car pain points of users’ winter car battery life shrinkage, electric safety and driving safety, and consolidated the product hard strength of Star Era ET. Mr. Gu Hongjian, deputy general manager of China Automotive Information Technology Co., Ltd., presented the winter test result certificate for Star Era ET at the event site, and highly recognized the winter test results achieved by Star Era ET. Mr. Gu said, "This winter test result fully demonstrates the winter low temperature performance of Star Era ET, and also shows that Chery’s R & D team has a very deep and excellent foundation in low temperature performance guarantee technology."

(Mr. Gu Hongjian, Deputy General Manager of Zhongqi Information Technology Co., Ltd., presented the award to Star Era ET)

Facing the trend of new energy vehicles, Xingtu Epoch is committed to taking the road of high-quality development of high-end new energy. The successful launch of Star Epoch ET has further consolidated the new benchmark image of Star Epoch in the high-end new energy market, adding "wings" for the new energy, intelligence and high-end of Xingtu brand to take off, and leading Chery Group to achieve the goal of world-class.

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The Hongqi EH7 presents an elegant side profile, with a body size of 4980mm*1915mm*1490mm and a wheelbase of 3000mm, creating a solid and spacious interior space. The smooth and sharp side lines highlight the style of the high-end business model. The careful design of the front and rear wheel tracks, 1645mm and 1655mm respectively, not only ensures driving stability, but also adds dynamic elements. The tire specifications are 245/50 R18, and the wide-width tires that coordinate with the body lines are selected. With the classic and delicate wheel design, the unique visual charm of the Hongqi EH7 is created together.

The interior design of the Hongqi EH7 highlights the perfect fusion of luxury and technology. The interior of the cabin is wrapped in exquisite leather, and the steering wheel is made of leather material to provide a comfortable grip. It also supports manual up and down + front and rear adjustment to meet the individual needs of the driver. The 15.5-inch large-size central control screen stands in front, integrating multimedia systems, navigation, telephone and air conditioning controls, making it easy to operate and clear information display. The seats are mixed with imitation leather and leather/fur materials to provide a high-level touch. The main and passenger seats are equipped with front and rear adjustment, backrest adjustment, high and low adjustment functions. The driver’s seat also has additional waist support (4-way) and power seat memory, bringing ultimate comfort to the occupant. In addition, the front seats are also equipped with heating, ventilation and headrest speakers to enhance the comfort and entertainment of the ride. The wireless charging function of the mobile phone is located in the front row to meet the needs of modern life.

For the Hongqi EH7 model, the engine on board shows strong power performance. Its maximum power reaches 253 kW, which ensures that the vehicle can provide abundant power support during acceleration and driving. At the same time, the maximum torque output is 450 Nm, which reflects the excellent torque output of the engine in the low and medium speed range, making the driving process smoother and more powerful. This power configuration undoubtedly enhances the driving experience and handling of the Hongqi EH7.

Summarizing the car owner’s experience, Hongqi EH7 won his favor with its unique design and exquisite craftsmanship. He praised its smiling front face and multi-color combination, as well as the headlight design that condenses technological wisdom. The elegant and smooth lines of the body seem to interpret the Hongqi brand’s pursuit of aesthetics and movement. It can be said that Hongqi EH7 is not only a car, but also a favorite choice in the eyes of car owners, carrying their persistent pursuit of quality and aesthetics.

Recently, we have learned from relevant channels that Geely Xingyue L will officially release the pre-sale price on May 25, and then it is expected to be officially launched in June. The new car is based on Geely CMA Super Matrix, positioning a compact SUV, and will be equipped with Volvo Drive-E series 2.0TD direct injection turbocharged engine.

In terms of appearance, Xingyue L (Parameters | Inquiry) adopts a new design style very close to Xingrui, with a large-size polygonal front grille and a straight waterfall shape inside. The headlights on both sides are well-defined, but the matrix LED headlights are still full of technology. In addition to steering assistance and intelligent near and far lights, three welcome lights or farewell modes can also be realized. The three-stage air inlet shape under the grille further enhances the sporty atmosphere of the car.

On the side of the car body, the waist line of the new car runs through the body and extends to the tail, and the front and rear fenders slightly protrude from the car body, showing the effect of wide body; the side eyebrows are very wide and thick, with "Y" type five-spoke wheels, so that the new car’s aura can be effectively improved. In terms of body size, the length, width and height of the new car are 4770/1895/1689mm respectively, and the wheelbase is 2845mm.

In the rear part of the car, the new car uses the current popular through-type tail light design, and the internal light group adopts a three-dimensional array arrangement, which is highly recognizable after lighting. In addition, the new car also adopts a hidden exhaust system to make the new car tail feel stronger.

In terms of interior, the new car adopts the design concept of instrument panel layout 4.0, and the two-color scheme provides a better luxury texture. The new car adopts a dual-screen design of central control screen and passenger entertainment screen, and the central control screen even extends to the front of the passenger, and adopts the IMAX screen design, which can display many driving information and multimedia entertainment functions.

In terms of configuration, the new car is equipped with a 10-speaker Bose sound system, 5G-AVP 1km unmanned parking technology, and L4-level autonomous driving in some scenarios and working conditions. With 5G technology, V2X (garage side), V to Cloud (car cloud), and V to Mobile real-time communication will be realized, enabling vehicles to independently find parking spaces, autonomously locate owners, and find owners.

In terms of power, the new car will be equipped with a 2.0T turbocharged engine, and there are two power versions to choose from. The maximum power is 218 horsepower and 238 horsepower respectively, and the peak torque is 325 Nm and 350 Nm respectively. In terms of transmission, it is matched with a 7-speed wet DCT transmission (2.0TD-T4 Evo) and an 8AT transmission (2.0TD-T5) from Aisin.

Meicheng mooncakes respond to additive issues

After the Mid-Autumn Festival, the controversy over "Meicheng Mooncake" has not subsided. The product advertised as Hong Kong Meicheng Mooncake, promoted by the online celebrity "Crazy Brother Yang" and the live streaming host of the Three Sheep platform, was found to have no physical point of sales in Hong Kong, and the place of production was not Hong Kong. The news triggered public discussion. On the morning of September 18, a reporter went to Guangzhou Meicheng Food Technology Co., Ltd. in Shiling Town, Huadu District, Guangzhou to conduct a field investigation. The company is one of the manufacturers shown in the packaging of "Meicheng Mooncake". According to the staff at the scene, the company’s business is running normally and has cooperated with the Guangzhou market supervision and management department to accept relevant inspections.

Reporters observed that the industrial park where Guangzhou Meicheng is located also houses a number of companies involved in glass products, plastic products, webbing and luggage accessories. Guangzhou Meicheng’s office building is prominently hung with the logo "Hong Kong Meicheng Food", and the walls are also decorated with the slogan "Hong Kong Meicheng" and "Meicheng · Create China’s high-end fashion souvenir". Although some employees are on vacation, the company’s operations have not been affected.

In response to hot questions about whether Meicheng mooncakes are authentic Hong Kong products, whether they are made by Michelin chefs, and whether they contain black truffles, the staff responded that the specific details will not be answered until the vacationers return. At the same time, he confirmed that the market supervision department has completed the on-site verification and the company has provided the necessary information to cooperate.

In addition, the reporter found that on an e-commerce platform, the moon cake products in the "Mei Chengli Flagship Store" have been removed from the shelves after the Mid-Autumn Festival, which is in line with the sales law of such seasonal products, while other non-seasonal products are still selling normally. However, there are still three product links displayed in the store on the morning of September 18. By the afternoon of that day, there is only one "Western Cake Gift Box" product left, and it shows that it has been removed from the shelves. The store customer service explained that the reason is "stock is exhausted".

259,800 yuan, Hongmeng Zhixing’s first coupe SUV was officially listed.

From the press conference, Yu Chengdong always used "far beyond" to show Huawei’s ability to give the Smart R7, it can be seen how much Huawei attaches importance to this car. As a benchmark model, the starting price of the Smart R7 is 10,000 yuan more expensive than the main selling version of the Model Y, but in Yu Chengdong’s mouth, this is the experience of "buying at the price of Model Y".

Whether it is the standard full blood Tuling chassis (continuous variable damping shock absorber + air suspension), the new upgraded silk cloud seat, or the intelligent driving ability of the whole series of 800V and Huawei ADS3.0, Huawei uses such an intuitive stacking material to achieve the "million-level standard", which is not only an attitude given by Huawei in the increasingly crowded smart electric vehicle market, that is, it does not choose to reduce the distribution to participate in the invalid price war, but also a signal conveyed by Hongmeng Zhixing to the outside world, that is, the intelligent brand can no longer lose.

The two launches of the Smart World S7

Zhijie is the second brand to debut under Hongmeng Zhixing, and the cooperation between Huawei and Chery has attracted great attention from the beginning. First, after the great success of the Wenjie brand, the market and users are full of curiosity and expectation for every move of Hongmeng Zhixing. Second, compared with the first partner, Cyrus, Chery has more profound and mature experience in vehicle manufacturing and capabilities, as well as supply chain and channels.

Therefore, the first car S7 of Zhijie received 5,000 large orders on the day it was listed on November 28 last year, and it broke through 20,000 within 3 days. When everything was developing in the direction expected by Huawei, and it was thought that it would continue the brilliant record of Wenjie’s new M7, a series of rights protection incidents such as the owner’s "difficulty in picking up the car" and "eight deadly sins" continuously exposed on social platforms made this high-profile blockbuster model a target of public criticism. Subsequently, it was reported that the daily output of Zhijie S7 was only a few dozen units by Chery, confirming the delivery difficulties caused by the serious shortage of production capacity of Zhijie S7.

This wave of splashing heaven’s wealth did not catch, and it was also destined to be unfavorable for the intelligent brand.

According to third-party statistics, the delivery volume of S7 in December after the listing of 784 vehicles, and 113 vehicles in January 2024, which is too large a gap with the large order volume of the previous 20,000.

Although Yu Chengdong bluntly stated on the delivery difficulties of the Smart S7 at the Electric Vehicle 100 Forum in early 2024 that "the listing was delayed due to factory relocation and chip supply shortage", and Hongmeng Zhixing official also gave a compensation plan, for the Smart S7 users between November 28 and January 15, if the delivery is overdue, the owner will receive compensation of 200 yuan per day, up to 10,000 yuan, but such measures still failed to resolve the complaints and anger of the early users of the smart car.

For new car brands, the release of the hype PPT is just the first step. To compete for true skills, it depends on the delivery ability. To enable users to drive their favorite cars in the shortest possible time, they can form a word-of-mouth effect and promote the rapid development of new brands. If even the car cannot be delivered, what else can be said to become bigger and stronger?

Faced with the unfavorable public opinion that fell sharply from the peak of the listing, after four months to solve the production capacity problem, Huawei and Chery decided to re-list the smart world S7. This very rare practice in the car circle also caused a lot of onlookers. Has the second release of the car changed?

The starting price has not changed, but the price of the medium and high-end models has been reduced by 20,000, and the battery and battery life of the medium and high-end models have been improved. Yin Tongyue, chairperson of Chery, said at the second release that Chery’s current production capacity can guarantee "one car per minute", so that everyone can rest assured of the delivery ability of the Smart S7.

At first, the second listing still had some effect. The order volume in the first two months exceeded 5,000, but after that, it did not increase but decreased, from around 2,000 in June and July to 425 in August. Such results can only be said that the defeat of the Intelligent World S7 has been determined.

When it first went public last year, there was the huge traffic and popularity brought by the strong return of Huawei Mate 60, and the hard-to-copy user favorability and brand effect brought by the big sale of the new M7 to Hongmeng Zhixing. It can be said that "the right time, the right place and the right person" are all there, but it can only be blamed on the intellectual world for not seizing this rare opportunity.

By the first half of this year, the brand’s reputation will be gone, and the blessing of public opinion effect will be gone. Moreover, there is still such a traffic giant in the market, and the smart world S7, which is also positioned for the C-class car, has little market space.

Is Chery responsible?

The unfavorable start of Zhijie S7 did not continue the success of Huawei’s brand to Wenjie, and the appearance of delivery problems caused rumors that "Huawei and Chery" were at odds for a while.

During the period, Han Biwen, who was then the deputy general manager of Chery and the general manager of the manufacturing division, left. A screenshot of a chat circulated on the Internet showed that "Zhijie S7 is all Huawei’s, and no software version was handed over to Chery. Even the leader’s test drive was hand-brushed by Huawei engineers." The slow progress led to a delay in delivery, which led to the resignation of the leader in charge of the project.

Although Chery has refuted rumors that the departure of executives is not the reason for the cooperation project, the fermentation of rumors and the criticism of Huawei’s smart car model by car company executives in public have put Chery and Huawei’s smart project under tremendous pressure.

From a filing document issued by the Wuhu Public Resources Transaction Supervision and Administration Bureau, it can be seen that the construction of Jiangbei Intelligent Networked Automobile and Parts Industrial Park in Wuhu Economic Development Zone was completed on January 31, 2024. This factory is Chery’s Intelligent Networked Super Second Factory, which is used to produce Intelligent S7.

That is to say, before the Super Second Factory was officially put into production, that is, after the first release of the S7, the production of the S7 was placed in the Chery Super One Factory, which was mainly used to produce Chery’s own models, such as the Xingtu brand. One was an independent brand, and the other was a cooperative foundry brand, which could explain why after the first listing, the daily production capacity of the S7 was only more than ten units.

Although Yin Tongyue said at the press conference that "cooperation with Huawei is Chery’s first priority strategy", as an old car company with decades of car manufacturing history and experience, Chery’s cooperation with Huawei on intellectual projects cannot be completely as smooth as Cyrus and Huawei. The smart car model (i.e. Hongmeng Zhixing) requires car companies to hand over their "souls" to make Huawei’s technology more synergistic. This requires car companies to be willing to do "OEM" roles in cooperation projects, thus giving up a lot of car manufacturing and parts has the voice over, which will definitely affect the original good business operation model and interest chain within the car company.

Cyrus was willing to cooperate fully because Huawei’s appearance saved them from bankruptcy, while Chery’s market position and annual sales were beyond Cyrus’s reach, so it was naturally unwilling to cooperate in this relationship.

Therefore, from the intellectual world project, it reflects Chery’s internal two-party game of joining Hongmeng Zhixing, as well as Chery’s hesitation and infirmity in the direction of new energy transformation

Yin Tongyue also said that "if China wants to build a good car, it cannot do without Huawei. If China wants to change from an automobile power to a world power, it needs the blessing and empowerment of Huawei Hongmeng System." After the failure of the S7 in the intellectual world, I believe that Chery has also made a summary internally. The top management has set the tone and needs to convey this central idea step by step, and in the face of existing executives or departments. Collaboration interruptions or other impacts that will inevitably occur between existing channels, supply chains, partners, etc., this needs to be solved by Yin Tongyue.

Chery Left Behind

It is not an exaggeration to say that Zhijie is Chery’s only hope to enter the high-end market in the new energy transition stage.

The Chery Starway Interstellar Era ES, which is on the same platform as the Smart Era S7, was released last year following the Smart Era S7. It has sold a total of 3,666 vehicles in the nine months of its listing. This is obviously a failure for Chery, which hopes to open the entrance to the high-end new energy vehicle market in the Star Era.

When traditional car companies such as Geely and Changan launched their own new energy brands and gradually leveraged the market firmly occupied by fuel vehicles in the past with extremely high product power, Chery still did not have a new energy sequence that could bear the heavy sales responsibility except for Xingtu, Jietu and the fuel vehicles of this brand.

According to the data of the Passenger Association, the sales volume of Geely and Changan new energy models in 2023 was 487,000 and 474,000 respectively, while Chery was 128,000. Reflected in the product, Geely’s polar krypton and Lynk & Co are transforming very fast in pure electricity and hybrid respectively, and already have a large-scale sales system and market share. Even the newly hatched Galaxy brand has grown very fast in a year. On the other hand, Changan’s Avita, Qiyuan and Deep Blue brands are also launching new products in different sub-sectors, and sales are also good.

In contrast to Chery, if you ask what the best-selling model is, the answer will only be the same, Arrizo and the two brothers who left the fuel sequence, Chery is blank in the field of new energy. The main reason is that the transformation speed is slow, the product line is confused, and there are many internal disputes.

Chery only established four future brands in the new energy market at the beginning of last year as Chery, Xingtu, Jietu, and iCAR. This kind of response speed and execution are indeed in line with the fact that it is currently lagging behind in the new energy market. After establishing the four major brands for more than a year, only the Heshanhai car series has considerable sales, but it is only relative to Chery itself.

And the main reason for the good sales of these two brands is the low price. When other car companies add fixed labels to their respective new energy brands to strengthen brand recognition and guide users’ inertial thinking, in order to impact the high-end, Chery still does not seem to realize this importance in the transformation stage, resulting in the current impression of new energy brands to users is still vague.

Therefore, choosing to cooperate with Huawei to launch the Intelligent World brand is a big gamble for Chery and a necessary battle, which can not only help Chery quickly catch up with the rhythm of the new energy transformation stage, but also enable Chery to break through in the high-end market.

Before the launch of Zhijie R7, Yin Tongyue and Yu Chengdong jointly promoted the car booth many times, and it can be seen that both have high hopes for this car, which is not only related to Chery’s new energy transformation results, but also the driving force for Hongmeng Zhixing to continue to move forward. After solving key factors such as factory capacity and collaboration issues, R7 is also a key battle for the Zhijie brand. Whether Huawei’s strongest "stacking material" can work or not remains to be seen.